This Week's Barks

Pangs & I Will Remember You Crossover


"...the votes are in, and it's time for my concession speech." -- So said Xander himself.

This past week, we saw the November Crossover Eps., and a whole slew (pack?) of dingo action players! Cool! Thanks for playing, you nifty people! (er, good dingoes?)..Now, here's what y'all said:

cemetery Xander left Hot Dog on a Stick because:

   Oz would have wanted him to.
   The hat wasn't manly enough.
   The imagery got to him. (Hey, he dates Anya, remember?)
   He pulled a Brad Hamilton.

The Winner: ?

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I don't get why:

   They always gotta kill off teachers and professors.
   Spike's always right.
   Buffy didn't say, "Show yourself," when she sensed Angel.
   Willow didn't care more about curing Xander.
   Riley flew back to Iowa for such a short visit.
   Giles doesn't have a ricer.

The Winner: .

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This episode reminded me of:

   The scoring from The Pack.
   The scoring from Inca Mummy Girl.
   How things tend to go wrong during the holidays.
   The importance of not digging into our past.

The Winner: .

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Buffy didn't tell Angel about peanut butter and chocolate because:

   A girl has to have some secrets, after all.
   He might have had a true moment of happiness.
   It was more of a rocky road relationship.
   Hey, she was surprised when he drank something non-bloody at the Bronze, okay?
   He would have gotten it on the sheets.
   He was too busy playing darts.

The Winner: .

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The coolest thing about these episodes was:

   Angel's being human.
   The Indian (Native American)/bear metamorphosis.
   The Angel/Giles scene.
   The fact that Doyle didn't die.

The Winner: .

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NEW CROSSOVER BONUS -- the title just breaks it up a little.

Buffy:

   Would overuse her crimper if she remembered what happened with Angel.
   Probably didn't really visit Hank.
   Needs to lose the cowboy hat.
   Secretly enjoys the Village People.

The Winner: .


A nagging question I'll ponder is:

   What do Oracles need with gifts?
   Did Angel get a mild suntan?
   How'd Angel survive that fight?
   Is the Buffy/Angel storyline over for good?
   What was Spike thinking in that very last scene?

The Winner: ?


Willow:

   Has a mother complex.
   Doesn't like mushy peas.
   Would have compared the bike riding scene to the one in ET.
   Kicks ass at bludgeoning.

The Winner: .


What Did You Think of These Episodes?

Then finally, your non-dingo-guided opinion about the episodes. Basically, stock in Kleenex went up -- most of you found the shows very tearworthy, at least the Angel half of the eps. Some of you wanted the whole Buffy/Angel thing over with. Um, that's all I'm gonna say...read on, Macduff.

So...let's see what we've got this week, byte-wise.

But first -- Standard disclaimer: Can't post 'em all, but this week I'm posting lots. Hope the authors don't mind being put up here, and some may be abridged. And again, no name, no bark byte recognition (even though I still like reading what you thought; make it easy on me and put a name on there, please! Thanks!)

Seesa said:

Buffy -- funny, typical BtVS, nothing out of the ordinary. They didn't even give Angel much to do.

Angel -- Heartwrenching. I cried like a baby. Joss is an evil man.

From Holly:

I thought these two episodes were great. I liked the part when Buffy sees Spike and quickly reverses the spoon she was holding so she could stake him if need be. The episode I Will Remember You was good as well. I loved the Cordy/Doyle interaction in this episode. I wished they wouldn't have killed Doyle off.

From Natrad:

Loved the peanut butter in bed continuity from 'Room With a View' ... *someone* had to have known the merits of the stuff! And not only did Production succeed in fulfilling their Shirtless-Angel quota, we enjoyed the advent of Austin Powers-esque nudity obscured by strategically placed objects. I was waiting to see if Buffy would pull out the rockmelons and bite the weiner!

Hitomi Terwilliger said:

Is it wrong that I laughed at all them Buffy/Angel moments 'cause I was looking forward to watching them get torn apart again? Though my laughter was mostly drowned out by the gagging of the rest of my family.

Violet said:

Good Buffy ep, even better Angel ep. But let's talk about Buffy/Angel sex for a minute, OK? I think they were influenced by that movie that went to last year with all the food in it. Not that I'm complaining. In fact, bring it on some more. <eg>

Way for Joss to show his evilness at the end. Just when things were beginning to be happy. He has issues, doesn't he?

Goddess Minerva said:

Umm, Pangs was great... but I had a lack of seeing I Will Remember You. But seeing Buffy and Angel get pelvic and give each other happies again was not high on my to-do list. Is it me, or is what I just said incredibly gross? :)

Lane said:

...The episodes rocked! I expected Angel to ask Cordy to buy him some Pepto after all that pigging out he did.

StephanieJane said:

That was the most beautifully tragic thing I've ever seen. I know I'm a psycho, my brother just told me as he read this. I REALLY wanted to get that ice cream drip for him before Buffy even saw it. All in all, this episode was chest-lickin' good. That's my new measure for how good the shows are now.

That kiss at the beach was by far the best kiss ever kissed.

From Oddette:

If I cross my fingers and other various body parts long enough, will they get back together again?

QYV said:

I didn't really need the uberdose of political correctness when it came to the "Native Americans". Like Spike said: "You exterminated his people and stole his land. What could you possibly say to make him feel better?"

From rubyluna:

Can you say HEARTBREAK........ Yes yes yes...Buffy and Angel brought a tear to the eye....

Spike being shot with the arrows was truly hilarious. God I love this show.

From *Beep*:

Spike was definitely the highlight of the whole "Buffy" hour-timeblock. Everyone else just seemed so...oh, I don't know...un-spirited or something. And although Willow *is* my favorite character, she is just edging a bit too much on depressing/whiney in this ep. I mean, sure, a girl's gotta mope and do the chocolate thing, I mean, look at Buffy/Angel, but she just hit a nerve this week.

The worst came that night at 11, though, when I thought back upon the "Angel" ep. and what did (or rather, didn't happen). Especially the whole "I won't forget, I won't forget" and Angel losing it (vampires have tears!) and...and... So sad!

Oh! And I swear, even before I read the "Crossover Bonus" that I related that whole "bike scene" to ET! *Heh*

kailen said:

Willow actually tried to beat someone to death with a shovel (but not Riley)!

I really liked Spike in this episode. Minus the viciousness, he's a pretty reasonable guy. And funny - "A bear! You made a bear!"

Xander needs more to do. He gets all of these great lines, but is still on the outside looking in.

From Jua the Vampire Slayer:

I'm starting a club. It's called the Keep Buffy and Angel Angst Off My Television Society or KBAAOMTS (extremely clever acronym, no?) I like them separate but I'm with Cordelia on the too much carrying on bit.

Mary said:

OK, so Buffy was less than exciting and Joss could have done so much more with the Native American guilt. But Angel, and I do no take this lightly, actually out-did Buffy this round. Granted, the reason it did was because SMG was in it, but besides that... And now I shall go back to my VCR and rewind that last scene for the 50th time. Masochist? Yes, definitely...

Rachel Cicely said:

Best Part of the entire stinking thing: A blanket covered and sickly looking Spike looks in on a happy Norman Rockwellian vampire family (if Norman Rockwell painted the undead that is) feasting "Freedom from Want" like on the body. ::dies laughing::

pg said:

Well, I finally have to confess that I am a Buffy/Angel junkie. Which to me is kind of odd, because after all don't most shows do better with a good car chase or at least some good stunts? I think there must be a support group out there for this, but as a guy I would probaly be to embarassed to admit this addiction in public(except via the internet). Once again in the only good line from GodfatherIII-Just as I thought I was through this problem, they roped me back in. In other words I loved every tear jerky moment.

Kristin said:

In Buffy, there was good shovel usage all around. With the digging...the bludgening, make it slice bread & we got a dream tool. If Angel had a shovel, that whole demon thing peobably would have been resolved much quicker. Once good whack to the family jewel & goodbye demon. Though then the ep'd be plotless. Ah well.

Devinistan said:

Another good run. Makes me wish Angel was human permanently. By God, he was a helluva lot more interesting that way. Maybe his character was so bland because his tastebuds were too.... Hmm, I think I'm reading too much in to it.

The last shot of Buffy was made incredible. What made it so? The look on James Marsters face. You just get the feeling that Spike had been wanting to tell Buffy all along, just to torture her with it.

I have to say, I'm much happier with Anya on the show now than I was at the beginning of the season. "I was going to say smallpox!" Excellent.

Deb said:

'Pangs' -- finally, TV portrays the normality that is every family holiday *I've* ever experienced (well, OK, without the Vengeance Spirit ;) And I loved the fact that everyone Angel talked to wanted to know if he was evil.

Alye said:

I didn't get Willow in this ep... She didn't seem like herself at all. I do love how Spike has become the voice of reason, though. And I have to wonder how many people actually knew what mushy peas were, and didn't think it was just that English people overcook their veggies.

From Satan's Bunny:

"Hey everybody, let's think up another way to have Buffy and Angel get sweaty and horizontal!" You can almost hear this being yelled in a conference room full of writers. "Nothing's too trite! God knows, our viewers can't live without seeing to two of them together!" Hey, both shows are doing well on there own. I was kind of hoping they would find a way for them to have seperate storylines that would somehow tie together for a season finale. But, hell no, Oz goes jumping in his van to drive to L.A. in what, like the third ep? Buffy follows soon after.

Sorry for the rant... I'm still real broken up over Doyle... Sob... Sob...

Grace said:

Sad, but good. Especially Spike! Loved him begging for help and getting pin-cushioned with all the arrows.

The only thing for me that felt off, was that the timing of the cross-over felt bizarre following the previous episode which featured Riley so strongly.

Also, I'm tiring of the "Buffy and Angel together, now split asunder, now together, whoops! not anymore" storyline. I wish it would just be one way or the other.

Sorcha said:

Okay, I have one question: WHAT IS WITH BUFFY'S HAT?!

slothgirl, queen of all things cynical said:

Ok, I think Buffy must have been a little delusional when she decided to wear that hat....and when she and Willow were talking about what the murderer could have been, why didn't they think of Jack the Ripper? I thought he was the most famous ear amputater to ever live.

I think the funniest lines this season have so far gone to Spike. I esp. liked "You know what else has blood in it? Blood."

Seeing Spike lying on the ground, stuck full of arrows was hilarious. Kind of reminded me of the mayor.

I think it would have been funny if the bear ate everyone. It would be like, "That's what you get for smacking my warrior with a shovel!!" Hehe.

Sunny said:

The Buffy side of things filled my little nostalgia cup to the brim... it's true that it felt like old days, only better with Spike and Anya being there, which was really sorta melancholy, since the old days are no more. Just twisted the knife aw bit...

The Angel side was amazing. Made me the happiest I've ever been watching either Buffy or Angel. They were so amazing together as a "normal" couple... Then it made me the saddest I've ever been when he went back to the Oracles... But, it had to be done. I mean, in spite of everything Buffy says, Angel needs to be a superhero.. and he needs to love her and she needs to love him and their love needs to be frustrated to get us so riled up over it...

Overall, it moved me, which is all I ask. And, on a final note, I love SPIKE!!!! "Julius Caesar doesn't walk around saying 'I came, I conquered, I felt real bad about it'"!!!.... Too funny!

GypAng said:

Waaaahhhhhh!!! They killed Doyle!!! Oops, that was a different episode.

Everyone says that they liked the "Angel" part of it better, but I don't think so. I thought it was just too convenient that he could suddenly talk to higher powers (don't they have those ANYWHERE in Sunnydale for advice???) and take it all back. Joss gives us what we want, but twisted. I liked how Angel could remember it, but I thought Buffy should have too. Just too convenient, Buffy and Angel were together, but it didn't have any impact on their lives.

I LOVE THE LAST SCENE OF BUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy, can Spike smirk!!!! I thought that Angel should have seen the new Spike and tortured him a bit. It's only fair after all.

Jen said:

I haven't cried so much since Becoming pt 2. Damn it, why'd they have to kill Doyle off in the next episode? One emotionally heavy episode is bad enough, but two? *sniff* Someone hand me a kleenex . . .

Hi, Jen! Here's some virtual kleenex (told you guys I had stock in this stuff...) Oh, and good luck with finals! (And re: the scanning...no rush. I'd be happy to get it whenever you have time. :-)

start here said:

....I think Giles needs something to occupy his freetime and that Spike should move in with Joyce on the grounds that Spike+Joyce = happy fans.

Satan's Bunny said:

....I like the idea of Willow being recruited as an avenging demon. Hey, let's all remember... she was recuited for a computer company before, it's pretty much the same thing.

MadHatter said:

Okay, there was some serious kissing with tongues in this episode, children. Say what you will about SMG breaking up Boreanaz's marriage, but tonight she was ALL about the Spikey lovin. They were SO kissing with tongues. Yes they were. Yes. Tongues.

So does this mean that Willow gets to be happy again and not make me want to cry over jerky men that broke my heart in college every time I see her? She'll make enough cookies to be happy, right?

One last thought. Ahem. BUFFY!!! BRUSH YOUR FRAPPIN HAIR!!!! I'M GOING MENTAL WITH THE CRIMPING!!!

belle said:

What the hell is Willow's deal this season...is that she's an envious, sexually repressed, self-involved brat who, after several years of trying to be a Nice Girl Who Always Puts Others First and Never Says Bad Things, is finally letting her inner creep come to the surface. She'd be better off as a leather vamp. At least she'd be more fun.

I have long rants about this on the Buffy Cross & Stake Spoiler Board (plug!), where I've started an I Wanna Stake Willow club. Membership is free and encouraged.

I'd type more, but my eyes are still red and socketed from weeping over Doyle...damn Joss...perhaps he and Larry are exchanging ghostly claddagh rings in some ethereal writerly afterlife...

Holly said:

Loved the part after Willow undoes the spell and Spike and Buffy go ballistic about kissing each other. Kinda reminds me of how Lucy would get after Snoopy would kiss her.

Heh. Speaking of Spike spit, the next comment is quite amusing. I credit the use of the emoticon.

Mary said:

Ew, Spike spit... On the other hand... >=)

Ishmael (It had to happen sooner or later in the "Call me" spot. Heh. said:

Willow needs to get over the mopey-ness soon...or I'll begin to want her dead too, and that would be most of the cast.

Bri said:

And did anyone else just want to beat the ever-lovin' crap out of Willow? Yes, it's traumatic that Oz left. But she doesn't have to turn into a raging neurotic who spends her days praying to the goddess Diana for all boyfriends to disappear from the earth. I swear, there is nothing about Willow worth liking this season. If she had been turned into a vengeance demon, maybe we would have seen her do something interesting for a change. Please, give us a character regression, if this is what we get in the way of progress!

Kristin said:

And Buffy had a problem with her evil-roomate's taste in music?

Candy Kane said:

I haven't seen this episode, the one before, or the one before that thanks to the stupid WB. I am only guessing at the answers and wondering what the hell it is about brown apples and Fruit Roll-ups. Probably something to do with a new demon that likes to throw brown apples at his enemies while making fake cigarettes with the Roll-ups.

Neko said:

I liked it. I'm getting annoyed with everyone bitching about how unoriginal this season is. Damn! I like this season and all people are doing are whining about how it reminds them of past episodes! Get over it and quit bitching!

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